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Hi Skaters,

Its alleged many of those caught were the same as the previous swoop & early morning test, before they could change the equation of the level.

When I asked the CIC about the problem earlierI was told the data was flawed & a top ranking official was seen to have a vested interest in the overall situation, so it was not seen as 100% proof to hang them on.

This time it is not in this officials territory & he no longer holds the same position in the Colombian Federation, so hopefully no escape path there. At the time he obviously had previous evidence. At Worlds I was told of blatant cheating occurring in Colombia, by one of their top people, so hopefully no out this time.

We are sick of seeing very ordinary Athletes & Body Shape changes & extra unseen speed appear, Munos was a Superman at Worlds, but then again so would most of us, when we had a hidden Supercharger.

Bill

Hi Joerg,

Yes a two weeks stand down period, if they were all from Bogota & spending there training days skating & praying up Mount Serratt in the hills above Bogota, just perhaps maybe, there could be one or two odd readings.

But two of the 3 so far named come from Cali a 1,000 above sea level,I lived there for 2 years & no abnormal effects from that factor.

But 16 or 17 skaters is a bit over the top, if it happens to the skaters why not lots of their Cyclists. ?

We know there skaters train very hard & often to the point of overtraining, perhaps if sheer hard work & training can have this reoccurring effect, then WADA needs to carry out an In depth study & change the maximum level allowable, or declare it blatant cheating, one or the other! 16 or 17 registering above the allowable levels on two occassions now, is just a bit to much to swallow. It must be either or either.

1/ They are either very unfortunat skaters enduring blood sweat & tears, also making abnormal sacrifices, in order to represent their beloved Colombia.

2/ They are mostly the 2nd level who are desperate for recognition, who will risk Life, limb, health & well being, in an effort to gain national recognition.

3/ In Colombis a top sports person means status, as does a top coach, soin a country withnot to many opportunities for ordinary people, the desire to succeed approaches Desperado performances & heavy work load, if one eystem does not work,perhaps a little help will.

4/ The Authorities owe the skating World an explanation, I hope it is forthcoming.

Bill

Hi Michel & Others,

Another one hit wonder, I think you want to engage your brain a bit more.

I coached Colombia for two Pan American Games & two World champs & lived there for two years in 1990 & 1991 & 5 months in1995.

I think unless you in particular are one of the ones involved, I might know a bit more about what goes on around the World of Sport than you do, I have also a Qualification in Sports Science.

Its the numbers that have been caught in both suprise early morning tests that is the concern & many do not live at altitude.

Tampering with the body with intravenous drips, apart from Medical practictioners for medical reasons is a no no.

Read Joerg's Article also he has been previously involved with cycling at the highest level & knows what goes on.

As one who does know of a few, who previously had some help & there Federations have not disclosed it, I think I know a bit more than you.

A Gutless one hit wonder, who does not disclose there full name & then attacks made about my Children, ( I would love to know the untruths,) please let me know, well you have a bit of a problem Tampering with the truth, & obviously do not have a clue in Hadies, what you are talking about, the World is full of do Gooders & Would Be if they could be type people, who are envious of others. You are obviously another one.

They do not take medals of skaters & do early morning 6am tests for no reason at all.

By the way any sport like ours having not caught any one is looked upon closely & the question asked are we carrying out a correct program?

We have been criticised by WADA & on there list of sports as non compliant, with out of competition requirements.

The Colombian Federation & Drug Testing authorities are to be commended, for carrying out such great numbers of out of competition testing & at least showing that in Colombia, they want a level playing field, at least while in Colombia. So its certainly helping to comply in line with WADA'S requirements.

Although many High Hemocrit levels can be linked to natural occurances, others are linked to the biggest curse in sport EPO & Blood doping, so initially as a safety measure also they have a two week stand by period.

The Big question to be asked is Why is it not happening in these numbers in Colombia for Cycling & other sports, with Hemocrit levels.

Officials Talk, Skaters Talk & Doctors lock National team skaters In & Coaches out of a training camp, so do not try & tell me I do not know what I am Talking about, its just I am saving the real stuff for a book to be written.

Bill Begg ( Real Name )