Why does CIC not allow 2 or 3 wheel frames? Will WIC allow them?
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2 and 3 wheel skates disallowed
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 Jim White |
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Posts: 328 (05/07/09 12:05:07) |
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 williambegg |
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Posts: 1127 (05/07/09 20:07:40) |
Hi Jim,
Where is the rule that does not allow them ? no more than Half a meter long overall & 110 m.m. wheels. The CIC done some silly things, 1/ Allowing 110 mm was the first. 2/ Greater speeds that many cant control. 3/ More pressure on Joints & ankles. 4/ Increased costs to both Skaters & Industry. 5/ Left the poorer countries Further behind. 6/ From the look of 3 Pistes, no uniformity with skate products. 7/ Even Formula 1 & Cycling, decided to come more into line. 8/ But never mind the sport is full of suprises, thats why its exciting. 9/ Like the free market of the USA, the costs are only really counted, in a big crash. LOL Bill |
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oldkiwi |
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Posts: 518 (05/07/09 20:18:09) |
I'd like to see anyone keep up in a WIC race on a 2 wheel setup!
cheers johnny |
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unclesam |
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Posts: 74 (05/08/09 01:40:34) |
It is written in the 2009 FIRS regulations...
But that would also mean that starting with a 4wheel skate... losing a wheel MUST result in disqualification since the skates are, from that moment on, no longer accepted bij the FIRS rules (and there is no exception in the rulebook that one has to START with at least 4 wheels and can finish with less) 
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Canadianref01 |
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Posts: 200 (05/08/09 05:21:26) |
This issue came up in Gross Gerau a couple of weeks ago. A coach came to me asking whether his young skater would be allowed to race
with a 3 wheel setup. I knew about the CIC rule in article 20 and brought it to the chief judges attention. She told me there was an amendment and it would be
allowed. Just as well as half the little skaters had the 3 wheel setup. I think USARS needs to learn to go beyond just reading words and look at why this might
of been put in place. By not allowing the 3 wheel they are taking a big step backward. I know Canada will not enforce this rule at their Nationals. Cheers Alex
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williambegg |
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Posts: 1129 (05/08/09 05:58:57) |
Hi Alex,
At 3 Pistes one young American family were reall competitve on 2 wheel plates, looked like a 110 at front & Back. With everyone going to big wheels the 3 wheel plate has been 1 viable option for small feet, who were dissadvantaged. With the opening up of the 110, people had to consider weight & length options, or only Big foots were going to win, so Unclesam is right as the rule as it applies at present, what is morally right, is something different again. Cheers Bill |
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Jim White |
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Posts: 329 (05/08/09 06:34:55) |
So, Alex, what's the amendment, and where is it published? Is it an amendment to the CIC rules, for all events, or only for a specific country or event?
Saying they aren't allowed isn't correct by USARS, IMO. It's not yet been decided whether 2's and 3's will be allowed for Freshmen and Masters, IMO. Very probably these CIC rules will be enforced for skaters who are in competition for World Team because we try to run our qualifying competitioin the same as the untimate (Worlds), based on the thought that the best skaters at Worlds, which is what we want to send, will likely be those who win under World's conditions. " I think USARS needs to learn to go beyond just reading words and look at why this might of been put in place." That's exactly the purpose of this thread, and the Hyper one. We're trying to learn why. Any help? Anyone?
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05/08/09 06:45:15.
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Jim White |
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Posts: 330 (05/08/09 06:41:38) |
Bill, I'm unclear regarding your posts, especially the first in this thread. Are any of those reasons why this rule exists?
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Canadianref01 |
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Posts: 201 (05/08/09 07:24:35) |
Hi Jim: I haven't seen anything on paper yet but if a judge like Barbara Fisher makes a comment like that I would bet on it. She is
in my opinion one of the best judges I have ever watched or worked with. If you remember she got a raw deal in Spain last year at worlds yet she rolled up her
sleeves and bailed out the 2 bimbos who where the track and road chiefs. Without this lady I would hate to of seen the riots that might have taken place. As
far as why this rule is in place????????? People with small feet are at a major disadvantage especially for the track events. I think you will see something
SOON coming out from the CIC (hopefully) Cheers Alex
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Posts: 613 (05/08/09 07:44:52) |
Hey ref , do you remember Hamburg FIRS Masters WC Marathon? The official (female, German) there refused to accept protests that the men;s ak40 vice champion
has wave jumped, or that the woman's ak 40 1st and second place had illegally drafted men. Also refused protests about that "phantom dr" from
Italy who got 1st in I think ak 60.
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Canadianref01 |
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Posts: 202 (05/08/09 08:24:14) |
Sorry Ultra I can't say as I have. I only can give my humble opinion of what I have seen. A couple of years ago Barbara jumped into
a pack of senior men to stop a race where skaters would not leave the track during an elimination race and in Spain last year as Canada's coach I had a
chance to stand back and watch her in action. Cheers Alex
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Jim White |
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Posts: 331 (05/08/09 09:06:43) |
Just posted:
"The CIC rules are only strictly applied to our World Class events . . . i.e. those events leading to world team/Jr world team . . . all the other events at our ODN are unofficial (by CIC standards) because they do not qualify for worlds . . . we use the rules because it is intended to be a training event for the younger skaters. There would be no reason to enforce this rule for younger skaters or any non world class skaters. Richard Hawkins, USARS Executive Director" So that answers much for USA. I'm yet curious, at least, why the rule exists, and whether it applies to WIC. |
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oldkiwi |
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Posts: 521 (05/09/09 05:30:24) |
I understand you being curious Jim, and as Bill has said about 3 pista's, the younger skaters were quite competative, but in a WIC race I doubt if a Senior
Skater could keep up.( I'm guessing here)
It would be an interesting thing to see if it is possible, but I can't think of any WIC class skaters who have such a set up or who would risk such an experiment. Could be the next evolution of the inlines though, 125mm x 2wheel "roller ski's"....different sport yet? Let's add poles too....NOT. cheers johnny |
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unclesam |
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Posts: 76 (05/09/09 21:36:26) |
That would at least limit the max wheel size under 125 since 4 wheels makes the skate to long and 3 is no longer allowed... (for the time being) I keep
wondering how they would react on a skater losing a wheel. Maarten Swings lost a wheel in a dutch WOW race but still managed to finish 4th. But if one follows
the new rules strict, that is no longer allowed on worlds.
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