Hi, I got hypnotized by this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O36JAQWVAlc However, there's
something very basic that gets me confused. Joey insists and emphezises the importance of pushing from "home" - the position where both feet are side
by side. I know the push starts much after "the fall" (body weight shift), but should it start so late? After putting the recovering foot on the
ground? Is this a slideboard specific issue, or should I mimic this timing for inline as well? It seems awkward to push without having all your weight on the
pushing leg, so another option for inline is to indeed start pushing when both feet are side by side, but with the recovering foot slightly above the surface
(not like in the slideboard case). Can someone please shed some light?
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Posts: 61 (10/21/09 11:51:54) |
rronkin wrote:Since you're inlining I assume you're double pushing so it's not the same as classic. What Joey's doing on the board is classic. |
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Posts: 7 (10/21/09 14:37:09) |
tober43 wrote: I've never seen anyone doing classic inline technique pushing after knee drive. |
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Posts: 201 (10/28/09 03:52:18) |
lets not get picky here about classic techniques and knee drives etc, while Joey's slideboard technique is impeccable and would still create a pretty
decent inline technique, the fact of the matter is slideboard and a "double push" inline technique will not match as you have no forward momentum to
keep your balance when doing the body weight transition that inline technique requires.
which brings me to the original question about push timing, don't get too caught up analysing the timing of the push on the slideboard video...for that video you are better to look at his body position and the good parallel push. But to see Joey's real inline technique, then better watch a video of him actually on inlines, if you check out the link below and pause it at the right moments as he comes down the straight towards the cam (eg, on 11secs) you will see that the grounded foot begins to push well before the foot in the recovery and drive phase even lands. this is the correct push timing for inlines and one of the many components of the so called double push technique. i think (though i could be wrong) what joey means by bringing the feet "home" is not that you have to plant them side by side before you push, but to make sure that the push starts from under your body...the point here is that when combined with the correct push timing there will always be some power going into the ground to propel you forwards, whether it be the standard sideways push or the push under your body with the grounded foot using your body weight. I hope this helps answer your question. http://www.bonttv.com/view_video.php?viewkey=f030b4f67eeaeba30110
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Posts: 1424 (10/29/09 03:02:04) |
Hi Ben,
Joey has an immense strength, the like of which has never been seen before, I have not fully annalized this unique character, as the USA skaters who have tried to copy his Technique, have not set the World alight. So I have not rushed out to copy. Cruciani on quads was kind of similar as a dominating figure, when he was allowed to win. Joey is very effective & his great strength allows this Technique to work for him, make no mistake about that, his two efforts in the track & road relays were something like I had never seen before, the sheer power & speed & total annialation of his opposition.. When I find an athlete as strong, I will study what he is doing, as for others not so strong, I do not know if it works that good. Cheers Bill |
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Posts: 92 (11/07/09 18:30:29) |
rronkin wrote:rronkin, In addition to the other good replies, I would like to add some more insite. Hopefully it does not seem redundant. Slideboard work is not where you fine tune or work on your Push Timing Technique.....The SB is a great tool for Muscular Endurance and Body Position work as well as Armswing IMO. Push "Timing should be "Early" on the Under and the Classic Outpushes. For one thing the wheels are under your mass where the wheels have the best grip. The total "Work Per Push" has a greater potential when you begin the push as the skate lands under you. If you start the push later, how can you make up for it....you cannot in an Efficent manner. The early underpush is the beginning of the work and the end of the work is the out push all combined into a smooth, powerful stroke. Joey Strength is still not enough.......Joey also has Superior Early Push, and Superior Technique adding in to the Equation, well matched Armswing Power/Timing. Another way to look at how to make More Work Per Push and yes it has an effect on push timing. On the Joey Slideboard Video take note he is bringink his Recovery Knee in from the side to the other knee........There is little potential for enough work per push, because the "Drive Phase" has been eliminated. Joeys "Drive Phase" is IMO one of his Strengths On Skates.........A small explanation. When the Recovery KNEE is moving "Forward" , you can take this Force and apply it to the Skate pushing on the ground........Action/Reaction (Newtons 3rd Law I believe) The more you can get your Recovery Knee behind the Knee of the Underpushing Leg's Knee, the More "Work Per Push" you will generate because you will have a Bigger Knee Drive. When you take JOEY's Strength into account with a Bigger Knee Drive Phase, and in the same "Cadence" as a skater who skates Technically Smooth, yet dont get their Recovery Knee back enough and skate more "Knee to Knee" it should become Crystal Clear that less knee drive, means less "Work Per Push"......smaller gear and lower top speed. Mr Begg's Videos on this site Opened My Eyes WIDE with his teaching of how Important it is to get the Recover Knee back far enough. Then a MUCH BETTER Knee Drive Phase. Back to the Timing of the Push. The Earlier you push as the skate lands under you, the More Work Per Push. And the Technique is always "Evolving" so try to Think in terms of Why OR How a Reaction Happens.........It's the Action you take. Push Early. Pete |
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